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Aniewiel · Jul 09, 2005, 04:16 PM // 16:16

You know, OddSock? You're categorically the most negative person on these forums. That you consider yourself the "end all be all" of GW players is a testament to your self-centeredness. Just exactly how much time do you spend with the cut and paste part of Word? LOL!

As for the censor thing? *shrugs* My caremeter on anything you say is in negative numbers.

Aniewiel · Jul 09, 2005, 04:19 PM // 16:19

You did miss my point, OS, that a specified area for runners and their "customers" would reduce the need for endless spamming on ANY channel...trade or otherwise. Runners and the people who want to purchase their services would find one another much easier and with much less spamming.

Odd Sock · Jul 09, 2005, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

You know, OddSock? You're categorically the most negative person on these forums

That makes me feel all fuzzy and warm on the inside

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

Just exactly how much time do you spend with the cut and paste part of Word? LOL!

Every time I see a dumb post I have to respond to it. I'm sorry but that's the way it is. As for how much time it takes me to fragment all the posts, maybe a whole whopping 3 seconds per post.

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

You did miss my point, OS, that a specified area for runners and their "customers" would reduce the need for endless spamming on ANY channel...trade or otherwise. Runners and the people who want to purchase their services would find one another much easier and with much less spamming.

and read what I posted (can't believe I have to quote myself to make him understand)

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Originally Posted by OddSock

Ok so basically what you're asking for is that the devs make a runner's area so your local chat or trade channel isn't spammed and flooded ? I'm sorry I rather have other more usefull features added to the game like Observer Mode, inner guild sparring areas and skill balancing. Think of what this would require in terms of ressources and it's final purpose (you whining about runners to get off local chat)

So did you understand what I posted ? I mean either spend time programming useful things or waste time on creating content for people who can't turn off the local chat.

Ultimate_Gaara · Jul 09, 2005, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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this super strat you're talking about, is it focus fire ? Cause you may have discovered something here.

Wait till you're on your third time. You'll see where I'm getting to here

I did not come up with the plan so i dont exactly understand its orgin, but it had somethign to do with a distraction or something

Third try? heh, sorry but your talking to someone who played Diablo 2 every day for over 3 years... i dont get bored that easly

Dax · Jul 09, 2005, 10:09 PM // 22:09

One of the saving graces of the game is you can go through the game with henchmen and the chat turned off. Unfortunately as long as Anet doesn't care people will do it.... and spend endless posts justifying it. The end justifies the means.

The fact that many high level runners just port the low level people through the zones, there's no real challenge... except for maybe the high level runner.

Drakron · Jul 09, 2005, 10:31 PM // 22:31

The forge run is currently designed to be made from south to north, there are even convinient placed altars to lower DP (if you dont get bored to death with Snake Dance)

From what I read it was used as a shortcut for testing of South Shiverpeaks areas and then populated with mobs just before release.

Making a run from north to south is possible but "runners" is something ArenaNet simply cannot support, they did added a runner to Piken Square because some people might have a problem with finding it (god knows why, still its not as anoying as it was before) but going to Piken Square is something ArenaNet expect people to do, there are class quests there.

TadaceAce · Jul 09, 2005, 11:15 PM // 23:15

After beating the game a few times people make fun characters, they are a change of pace from pvp, a change of pace from UW and fissure, they are just fun to play.

If your a seasoned player and know the skills playing a low lvl character is just a total pain because you don't have the skills you want yet for the build to have fun.

For example, I made a minon master necro for the sake of having an army, everyone knows thats fun. But this entire build sucks unless you have veratas sacrifice to heal your minions (blood of the master is pretty worthless when you prefer bone horrors over fiends). So why go through the entire game not enjoying your build versus just skipping half of it and coming back doing it the fun way? Veratas sacrifice can't be found until copperhammer mines, and frankly I don't wanna go through the whole game not having fun and then when I am ready to have fun, have nothing to do besides the same old UW and fissure.

Drakron · Jul 09, 2005, 11:23 PM // 23:23

I did not made the game ... its a valid complain that people bring up with many classes, many people say they have to play a fire elemtarist at start because there is simply no other options, its not possible to start as a hydromancer.

As the early stages of game is its very hard to start a unique character, most people are simply forced into the same build because there are no options.

Unfortunatly the game is set in that way for the start, it not possible to "fix" it unless they made all Skill traders have access to all skills but then who would go to Ice Cave?

kuramaroze · Jul 10, 2005, 12:31 AM // 00:31

I dislike charging for running, but it happens. Its really one of the only ways to get stuff like fissure armor though. I usually just run for donations whenever anybody is charging some stupidly insane number to run anywhere and actually has people in their party.

Sereng Amaranth · Jul 10, 2005, 03:02 AM // 03:02

I did the south to north run last night. Max T was the other warm body and we had 6 henchies. We actually cleared all the zones, except Dreadnought's, lol. We even killed all the wurms. I hate wurms.

It took us about 3-4 hours and gave me another 50 or so deaths, lol.

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 10, 2005, 11:43 AM // 11:43

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Originally Posted by Odd Sock

Good for him, he's wasting his time being the good guy. We all know good guys finish last. Instead of remaking another character and unlocking skills and items, he's grinding people for fun. Either masochistic or dumb, still unsure what to brand this person though

Perhaps not everyone plays to just unlock skills and runes? I know it's fun to help people out. You wouldn't like it if someone or a group of people gave you a sack of Gold Ettin's Pualdron's or ran you to Drokanr's Forge for free, then helped you skill cap, you wouldn't like that?

Obviously you A. Don't know what masochistic means or B. you meant "Narcissistic". In both cases; WHAT? You have to either derive sexual pleasure from pain or be in love with yourself to HELP PEOPLE? I think that all this post proves is that you know nothing about the human pyschy and you yourself are a narcissist show off.

Why don't you go back and "Grind" points on BF2, go blow someone's virtual brains out if that's all you know about people? That's as far as you'll get with that attitude; stone age thinking.

Aniewiel · Jul 10, 2005, 02:13 PM // 14:13

Sagius, well stated. That's why I put OddSock on my ignore list.

I don't understand people with absolutely no compassion or interest in their fellow players at all. Yes, it's a game. But there are people on the other end that derive "warm fuzzies" when someone helps them ... well, just because.

The Pope · Jul 10, 2005, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Perhaps not everyone plays to just unlock skills and runes? I know it's fun to help people out. You wouldn't like it if someone or a group of people gave you a sack of Gold Ettin's Pualdron's or ran you to Drokanr's Forge for free, then helped you skill cap, you wouldn't like that?

Obviously you A. Don't know what masochistic means or B. you meant "Narcissistic". In both cases; WHAT? You have to either derive sexual pleasure from pain or be in love with yourself to HELP PEOPLE? I think that all this post proves is that you know nothing about the human pyschy and you yourself are a narcissist show off.

Why don't you go back and "Grind" points on BF2, go blow someone's virtual brains out if that's all you know about people? That's as far as you'll get with that attitude; stone age thinking.

The term masochist can be used to mean someone who subconsciously likes to suffer. Genuine altruism can be masochistic in that sense.

Odd Sock · Jul 10, 2005, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Perhaps not everyone plays to just unlock skills and runes? I know it's fun to help people out. You wouldn't like it if someone or a group of people gave you a sack of Gold Ettin's Pualdron's or ran you to Drokanr's Forge for free, then helped you skill cap, you wouldn't like that?

Yes I would but unfortunately the world isn't like that. If it were then alot of things would be different.

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Obviously you A. Don't know what masochistic means or B. you meant "Narcissistic".

Masochism: derivation of pleasure from being mistreated
Narcissism: excessive admiration or self-love

It's called an english dictionary. How is doing the Droknar run fun ? You run for 30 minutes and hope everything goes right and don't die. I've paid to get it done and let me tell I wouldn't want to do that painful task for free. And all this for what ? 30 minutes lost to get a thank you ? If you really want to help someone go to the local food bank, it'll be much more appreciated and will serve a greater purpose than running a gamer around in a virtual world. Anyhow you can't reasonably say that you find pleasure in doing that run and if you dislike it then read the definition of masochism again, you're finding pleasure in mistreating yourself. Do yourself a favor and open the Webster, it's not because you heard masochism on Howard Stern that it only has a sexual meaning.

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

In both cases; WHAT? You have to either derive sexual pleasure from pain or be in love with yourself to HELP PEOPLE? I think that all this post proves is that you know nothing about the human pyschy and you yourself are a narcissist show off.

This has nothing to do with sexual pleasure lol. And I never even mentioned anything about self-adoration. You have quite the imagination. btw it doesn't show that I know nothing about human behavior, it shows that you don't own a dictionary.

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Why don't you go back and "Grind" points on BF2, go blow someone's virtual brains out if that's all you know about people? That's as far as you'll get with that attitude; stone age thinking.

Ah yes the flame to end the post. GG. First off BF2 is Battlefield 2 right ? And what are grind points ? All I know from that game is that it's an FPS

Stone Age thinking my ass. Not because I go against the general train of thought and can actually defend my points that I'm an idiot or that I'm ignorant. I had absolutely nothing offensive in any of my posts except maybe the caremeter gig and you had to start insulting me. So who's the biggest idiot ? the one who defends points that go against the general school of thought or the one that flames cause he feels threatened ?

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

Sagius, well stated. That's why I put OddSock on my ignore list.

I don't understand people with absolutely no compassion or interest in their fellow players at all. Yes, it's a game. But there are people on the other end that derive "warm fuzzies" when someone helps them ... well, just because.

As I said to Sagius, go do community volunteering if you want to help people. I also like how you put me on an ignore list just because you don't like my ways of thinking. Isn't THAT ''Stone Age Thinking'' ?

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 10, 2005, 05:15 PM // 17:15

The way I took your comment, anyone who helps other people -must- be a (sado)masochist (SOMEONE WHO DERIVES SEXUAL PLEASURE FROM ABUSE). Sure, Drokanr's Running isn't always fun but it certainly isn't painful, it can even be fun at times, esp if you do it right.

What the comment "Stone Age" thinking meant was that the attitude that helping other people is weakness stems from the same train of thought that war does. And do those schools of thought help the world in any way? Certainly not.

I never saw one defence that you aren't a narcissist show off. And I was also refering that it makes more sence to say that those runners would also be narcissist show offs, machoes. (Though perhaps doing that for other people may contradict narciccism, some get good rushes out of showing how tough they are to a group of people, do you understand what I mean?).

Or perhaps we are not seeing in a correct light from which dirrection the other is comming. You seem like the type to be an MTV/Family Guy watching, machoe Atheist; a show-off who thinks hes an elitist but is your average, classless trash. You seem to have around the same thoughts about me, considering your Howard Stern comments.

Odd Sock · Jul 10, 2005, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

The way I took your comment, anyone who helps other people -must- be a (sado)masochist (SOMEONE WHO DERIVES SEXUAL PLEASURE FROM ABUSE).

Well that's not what was written so don't go on inserting words to help your cause. Masochist and sadomasochist are not at all the same thing. I also like the use of Caps Lock, quite interesting.

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Sure, Drokanr's Running isn't always fun but it certainly isn't painful, it can even be fun at times, esp if you do it right.

Quick question, how many times do you do this per day, per week ? And after you answer that, what's your favorite thing you like doing in this game ? And how many times do you do that per day and per week ?

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

What the comment "Stone Age" thinking meant was that the attitude that helping other people is weakness stems from the same train of thought that war does. And do those schools of thought help the world in any way? Certainly not.

That's not where war stems. War is old men bickering and young men dying. I won't get into this debate, this it's not GW and totally off topic. But I haven't heard of wars started from other nations being too kind or too helpfull. If so please correct me concrete events (date, motives, locations etc...) Oh and by the way lots of the products you use in your daily life have a concept that was developped in a war context. So yea war does sometimes result in the world being a better place.

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

I never saw one defence that you aren't a narcissist show off. And I was also refering that it makes more sence to say that those runners would also be narcissist show offs, machoes. (Though perhaps doing that for other people may contradict narciccism, some get good rushes out of showing how tough they are to a group of people, do you understand what I mean?).

What the hell does that mean ? I'll try to clarify this cluster of non-sense. You see me writting in my posts that I am in self-adoration and admiration ? Where ? Quote the extracts on how I am a ''narcissist show-off''. Furthermore we're not debating whether I'm a jackass or not and I'm certainly not going to lower myself to your level anymore showing that I'm right and you're wrong in this whole ''Odd Sock is self-centered, your mom haha'' stupidity. You're obviously beating me with experience here. The rest of the post I just don't get it but I think where you're getting to is that runners are bad because they are show-offs ? I thought originally they were bad because some were scammers and they ruined the whole twist of the game ?

Anyhow can we please get back on topic ? Either that or close the thread

EDIT: in a last attempt to achieve whatever he was trying to come accross he posted this cute little nugget

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Or perhaps we are not seeing in a correct light from which dirrection the other is comming. You seem like the type to be an MTV/Family Guy watching, machoe Atheist; a show-off who thinks hes an elitist but is your average, classless trash. You seem to have around the same thoughts about me, considering your Howard Stern comments.

This is a direct flame and was completely unprovoked. I watch Family guy yes. It's quite funny and I see in no way how it makes me a lesser peron. By watching MTV you are referring that my only culture is pop culture ? I'm sorry no, I'm educated and have read books outside academic puposes. Atheist ? Sure but you have no right to try and bring me down based on religious belief and practice. Yes I'm a middle-class person, is this so wrong ? And is being middle-classed a barrier to having class. Sorry again, I am not classless trash. Read the definition of elitist before using it btw.

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 10, 2005, 08:34 PM // 20:34

"# adjective: deriving pleasure or sexual gratification from being abused or dominated" - OneLook Dictionary

"of or feeling masochism: relating to or experiencing the desire to be humiliated and abused by others in order to feel sexually fulfilled" - Encarta

"a sexual perversion characterized by pleasure in being subjected to pain or humiliation especially by a love object -- compare SADISM" - Merriam-Webster's Dictionary

"1 the obtaining of especially sexual pleasure from being hurt or controlled by another person
Compare sadism.

2 INFORMAL the enjoyment of an activity or situation that most people would find very unpleasant:
I reckon you need to be into masochism to run marathons. [<-- Your point?]
Compare sadism." - Cambridge Dictionary

You don't need to add the "Sado" for it to mean the same thing.

Obviously, I was taking your words out of context (those from your opening post).

Yes, you seem like a regular rude person. No I'm not "Flaming" you, I'm just stating an opinion of your personality that appears to be factual (Considering that you confiremd some points). By your watching MTV I did not in some random, incoherent pretext - that you seemed to have so described - labeled your life as being based around "Pop Culture" but that you are a college aged person who is into unitelligent entertainment.

Want to know something about me? I'm obnoxious and assuming.

There you go; we're on even terms.

But you did prescribe the same notion to me when you said "Just becuase you heard that it meant something sexual on Howard Stern doesn't mean that it is". But then, I suppose Messers. Webster and Merriam do have such dirty minds.

Garrett · Jul 10, 2005, 08:54 PM // 20:54

Sagius please don't make this become like that pentagram thread.

wheel · Jul 10, 2005, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Obviously you A. Don't know what masochistic means or B. you meant "Narcissistic". In both cases; WHAT? You have to either derive sexual pleasure from pain or be in love with yourself to HELP PEOPLE? I think that all this post proves is that you know nothing about the human pyschy and you yourself are a narcissist show off.

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

"a sexual perversion characterized by pleasure in being subjected to pain or humiliation especially by a love object -- compare SADISM" - Merriam-Webster's Dictionary

"a bunch of other pointless definitions stating the same thing over and over"

A losing argument.

I'm sorry but you're completely wrong about him being wrong about using the word masochism. For you to win the argument, the burden of proof is on YOU to prove that there are NO definitions of masochism which back up his statement. He did this earlier, and you still didn't get the point. He was using a definition of masochism that's widely accepted, and you did not realize that it was acceptable as a definition. The definition is:

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Originally Posted by Merriam-Webster

Main Entry: mas·och·ism
Function: noun
1 : a sexual perversion characterized by pleasure in being subjected to pain or humiliation especially by a love object -- compare [size=-1]SADISM[/size]
2 : pleasure in being abused or dominated : a taste for suffering

Definition #2 fits EXACTLY what Odd Sock was saying. You therefore have no ground for arguing that he used the wrong word. Get over it. Could mods get this thread back on track or close it please? This is ridiculous.

Aniewiel · Jul 10, 2005, 10:46 PM // 22:46

Let's see: Original post completely being ignored now in favor of semantics. Sheesh you guys, take it to PMs, would you?